![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
Entry tags:
Discussion time!
I wanna talk about sub!Tommy, and Twitter is confusing with all the different threads of conversation.
And, GO!
And, GO!
![[identity profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/openid.png){kind=small}
Hey, bb!!
Sub!Tommy is trufax. I've had this discussion with a couple of people. But I gotta go read the story first!!
BRB
Sub!Tommy is trufax. I've had this discussion with a couple of people. But I gotta go read the story first!!
BRB
Tommy is a natural sub. This is obvious, yes?
I know we haven't had hair-pulling in a while, but you guys remember it, right? I know there was one clip in particular when Tommy's knees go out and he lets out a breath and his eyes close and looks like he's about to come right there on stage...why would you fake that? I just don't see it.
I mean, it certainly LOOKS that way, doesn't it?
Catcherofdreamz thinks that he's eager for approval from most people and that this could account for some of it.
I don't know him well enough to guess. But I'm pretty sure that Adam brings that out in him
I don't know him well enough to guess. But I'm pretty sure that Adam brings that out in him
IKR? Actually, even if they aren't fucking, it can still show that Tommy has natural sub instincts. Oooh pegging fic. Which would be torturous to Adam, being a very natural dom, if they weren't fucking.
Hmmmm. I'm now wondering if that's part of the ~connection they made when they first met or interacted. Like, probably nothing was said explicitly, but the dom in Adam recognized the sub in Tommy, that kind of thing.
Hmmmm. I'm now wondering if that's part of the ~connection they made when they first met or interacted. Like, probably nothing was said explicitly, but the dom in Adam recognized the sub in Tommy, that kind of thing.
and yes, the hair pulling.
I have a thing for that myself. TMI, but when someone does that to me, I melt and that's just IT. That's what happens to Tommy. He can't fake that
I have a thing for that myself. TMI, but when someone does that to me, I melt and that's just IT. That's what happens to Tommy. He can't fake that
Like the hairpulling at Gridlock? The first time we saw it? MMmmmmmm
That's interesting and definitely possible...you can tell he wants approval from Adam, at the very least.
That's an interesting idea. (And none of us really ~know him, so we're all just speculating.) Possibly, but there's also a very strong sense of IDGAF that comes off him, so it's not about receiving approval from everyone. Maybe more like there are ~specific people he wants approval from.
THIS SO MUCH. I've HAD this experience, actually. I think with some people you can sense it in them, and both of them just kind of radiate it...
agreed! Poor boy gets teased all show long- you have to hope Adam gives it up eventually!
I agree, specific people. Like, sometimes he's all, fuck off, I don't care.
Not TMI. That totally does it for me too. It's just a reaction.
the dom in Adam recognized the sub in Tommy
this kind of thing actually happens a lot in real life for people who are really involved in BDSM, I know from experience. I am a sub and have met guys and some girls before and it's like there's some kind of electricty between us and we just ~know. You just know that you can fit together in that beautiful dom/sub relationship and you hardly even have to say anything about it!
I choose to believe that this happened for Adam and Tommy.
this kind of thing actually happens a lot in real life for people who are really involved in BDSM, I know from experience. I am a sub and have met guys and some girls before and it's like there's some kind of electricty between us and we just ~know. You just know that you can fit together in that beautiful dom/sub relationship and you hardly even have to say anything about it!
I choose to believe that this happened for Adam and Tommy.
I'll just never get over that vid where Tommy talks about first meeting Adam, and how they just immediately clicked.
This post needs pic and vid evidence. If only I had been more organized in saving media...
I wonder about Tommy's past. It seems he tried very much to play a different role in his former bands. He seemed much more that badass type of guy. I see that he has softened so much with Adam, sometimes I look at old pics of him and think, "who the fuck is that?!"
It's possible he's always had a sub side, but fought against it in the past because he didn't like it or didn't want it. Adam seems to bring it out in him. Perhaps he finally got to a point where he didn't want to fight it anymore and with Adam he can really embrace that side of himself.
Also, he can maybe rationalize it if he tells himself it is just an act for the stage. But we know better, of course.
It's possible he's always had a sub side, but fought against it in the past because he didn't like it or didn't want it. Adam seems to bring it out in him. Perhaps he finally got to a point where he didn't want to fight it anymore and with Adam he can really embrace that side of himself.
Also, he can maybe rationalize it if he tells himself it is just an act for the stage. But we know better, of course.
Mmm...wait which one was that? I don't even know any more. Was that New years?
awe i like when im brought up. i don't know if it's approval as much as affirmation, and I think there is a bit of a difference. affirmation that yes, he is wanted, yes he fits in, yes adam wants to touch him. i think he likes the attention, but only from people he seeks it from and I think he desperately seeks it from adam. but not in a really needy annoying way.
like he walks up to adam and adam approaches him. yes, success. adam tilts his chin up and looks at him. yes, success. adam kisses him. yes, success.
then there are the nights when adam doesn't and he always seems a little expectant and then a little disappointed. and then his interactions with adam for the rest of the show are different. he walks up to him and kinda looks to adam for a split second before leaning back on him. like "is this ok?"
he seems to absolutely GLOW in adam's attention. like maybe he is perpectually still in a state where he's not sure if his life is real or he is just gonna wake up and it all have been a dream.
but the fever sequence, tommy adores it. he almost skips into place every night waiting for adam to come down to him. never a variation there. tommy would kiss him every night if it were up to him, but he's not going to initate it. he's gonna just gonna stand there and hope.
ok. shh. back to jew!fic
like he walks up to adam and adam approaches him. yes, success. adam tilts his chin up and looks at him. yes, success. adam kisses him. yes, success.
then there are the nights when adam doesn't and he always seems a little expectant and then a little disappointed. and then his interactions with adam for the rest of the show are different. he walks up to him and kinda looks to adam for a split second before leaning back on him. like "is this ok?"
he seems to absolutely GLOW in adam's attention. like maybe he is perpectually still in a state where he's not sure if his life is real or he is just gonna wake up and it all have been a dream.
but the fever sequence, tommy adores it. he almost skips into place every night waiting for adam to come down to him. never a variation there. tommy would kiss him every night if it were up to him, but he's not going to initate it. he's gonna just gonna stand there and hope.
ok. shh. back to jew!fic
Kinda tl;dr but I really wanted to mention this.
One (two?) of the reasons I love Tommy, and something that I don't think enough people in the fandom give him credit for, is the fact that he seems to be both a natural sub and very comfortable about it. There's a hella lot of cultural constructs involved in this, but at the risk of oversimplifying, masculinity is so tightly associated with heterosexuality and dominance that straight men find gay men ~threatening or ~offensive because being gay obviously means they're non-heterosexual, and possibly non-dominant, and thus challenge the idea of what it means to be ~masculine. (This is why it ties in with feminist theory, btw.)
I love that Tommy doesn't mind being seen as non-heterosexual, non-masculine, and non-dominant to an established gay man. This is a HUGE component in Adam's message of equality and embracing diversity. Like, here is Adam, the non-heterosexual man who is unapologetically sexual and pretty ~dominant. Contrast him with Tommy, the submissive, non-masculine, counterpart, and Tommy is the heterosexual one. The mindfuck is so awesome I still want to jizz every time I think about it.
One (two?) of the reasons I love Tommy, and something that I don't think enough people in the fandom give him credit for, is the fact that he seems to be both a natural sub and very comfortable about it. There's a hella lot of cultural constructs involved in this, but at the risk of oversimplifying, masculinity is so tightly associated with heterosexuality and dominance that straight men find gay men ~threatening or ~offensive because being gay obviously means they're non-heterosexual, and possibly non-dominant, and thus challenge the idea of what it means to be ~masculine. (This is why it ties in with feminist theory, btw.)
I love that Tommy doesn't mind being seen as non-heterosexual, non-masculine, and non-dominant to an established gay man. This is a HUGE component in Adam's message of equality and embracing diversity. Like, here is Adam, the non-heterosexual man who is unapologetically sexual and pretty ~dominant. Contrast him with Tommy, the submissive, non-masculine, counterpart, and Tommy is the heterosexual one. The mindfuck is so awesome I still want to jizz every time I think about it.
I see this too. I don't think he's putting on an act...I think he's taking off a mask. He seems so happy in his current role, especially when Adam is around...and you can tell he really enjoys how he looks these days, too. I mean, how many times has he tweeted us pictures of his makeup?
Page 1 of 5