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sulwen ([personal profile] sulwen) wrote2011-02-05 05:13 pm

On Fandom

I love fandom. I love it in the general sense, the basic idea of people with a common interest coming together in the spirit of community and creativity. I've been in many fandoms over the past 10+ years, and I've seen a lot. I've seen talent and joy, love and support. I've also seen drama and wank and hatefulness. It's always going to be a mixed bag - that's just life. But I do think that there are some basic truths to what we do that apply to everyone, and sometimes people need to be reminded.

I don't profess to be in charge of anything, and what I say here is my opinion alone. Take it or leave it as you see fit.

You will also notice that fandom, for me, is ALWAYS about fic at heart. Adam fandom seems to be quite an anomaly in this respect, and some of what I've seen there is what inspired me to make this post.



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On Language

Definitions can vary widely depending on who you ask. Here's how I define some of the most common fandom terms.

RPS - Real person slash, in contrast to FPS (fictional person slash).

Ship - to say "I ship it" is basically to say "I like it" or "I'm a fan of it." It's stating a preference - nothing else. I ship Adam/Tommy and House/Wilson and Jack/Ianto and many, many others. Basically, I'm differentiating between something I generally like to read and something I generally don't. For example, I don't ship Dean/Castiel. I will still read it if it's by an author I truly love, but it's not something I'll seek out.

OTP - generally stands for "one true pairing." This is just a stronger version of shipping. My Supernatural OTP is Sam/Dean. I strongly prefer to read this pairing above any other. It still doesn't mean that other fic is out of the question, though. My Harry Potter OTP is Snape/Hermione, but I've read hundreds of thousands of words of other pairings and truly enjoyed doing it. It's when something really jumps out and grabs at you above all the other options.

Tinhatting - a term which, as far as I know, applies only to RPS (a subject I'll be discussing further later on). Feelings toward this term seem to vary widely across fandoms. I first heard the term applied to Jared/Jensen shippers in the Supernatural fandom, and it was generally used quite positively. It was pretty much applied to ALL J2 shippers, not just the ones who "really believed." It was a tongue-in-cheek term, one that we used to poke fun at ourselves. We would joke about shining up our tinhats and such, and it was fun, funny. In Adam fandom, the term is used quite differently. A tinhatter to them is always a "true believer," someone who has gone beyond the realm of fantasy and fiction and started focusing more on their conception of reality - what they want to be real. Their happiness is suddenly tied up in what actually happens in real life, instead of the fun of playing with what-ifs.

I know a lot of people who either verge into tinhatter territory or are fully there. It's not my place to tell them they can't be invested in real life or hope for a certain outcome. But to them, I say one thing: you're going to be disappointed more often than not. By tinhatting any specific pairing to an extreme level, you're just setting yourself up for heartbreak. Better by far, in my opinion, to put yourself in a position to be as happy as you possibly can. If you're extremely loyal to an OTP, that's perfectly fine - just express those feelings through creative endeavors rather than trying to force your fantasy upon reality.

That's not to say that reality isn't important. I'll squee just as hard over a new picture or quote or vid as the next fangirl. But it's NOT because I'm taking it as "evidence." I'm not looking for what it "means." I see that new bit of canon and get excited because of the stories that can come from it - how it can feed the fantasy. These bits of reality should be the wellspring of inspiration from which we draw - nothing more, and nothing less.

**Please see the comments for more on the origin of tinhatting! Thanks, guys, for helping me round out this definition.

Canon - the source material. For most fandoms, canon is a TV show, movie, book, or video game. In RPS fandoms, canon is what we know about the people in question. For example, the fact that Adam was on American Idol is canon. It really happened.

Fanon - tropes that the fandom at large tends to agree on, but may or may not be true. For example, in Supernatural fandom, the exceptional size of Jared Padalecki's genitalia is fanon.

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What NOT to do

These mostly apply to RPS, though some of them can be related to fiction-based fandoms as well.

- Don't get too invested. Try and keep some perspective. Who Adam's currently dating seems to fade in importance when you think about the protests in Egypt or the brutal murder of Uganda's leading gay rights activist. And always remember, fandom is supposed to be fun. If it's not, you're doing something wrong.

- Don't involve the people you're shipping in fandom. Tweeting Adam links to fanfiction or requests to make out with your chosen person is extremely rude and tasteless, and can end up being hurtful. Imagine if someone started tweeting you and asking you for a sex tape or telling you who they thought you should date. Wouldn't you be pissed?

- Don't forget that these are real people you're talking about. They have lives and concerns of their own. They don't exist purely for your pleasure. Treat them with some respect.

- Don't bash other people for what they choose to ship. Fandom is a lot more fun when we live and let live. No one is forcing you to read anything you don't want to. The back button is right there - use it.

- Don't give other people control over your fandom experience. Find people you get along with and stick with them. Use the block and unfollow buttons on Twitter, and be smart about managing your LJ friends list. If there's not a community that suits your needs, make one. All the power is in your hands. Use it.

- Don't wait around for someone else to satisfy your personal needs. Pissed off that there isn't more Adam gen? Tired of the same old pairings? Write something! Leading by example is much more productive than sitting around whining about it.

- Don't limit yourself to one fandom. Explore! While you're being bored during downtime in one fandom, something exciting and fun could be happening in another. Besides, more fandoms equals more fic!

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A Quick Note On RPS

I have always believed that writing about real people is no different than writing about fictional characters, and I'll tell you why.

My characterization is based on public persona - what these people choose to show the world. I learned about Adam by reading his Twitter and watching interviews. That is all information freely given, and more than that, it's a role he plays, as we all do (and celebrities doubly so). That character is who I'm writing about. How could I possibly be writing about the "real" Adam? I don't know him. It would be more accurate to call him "an original character based on Adam."

This is why it doesn't bother me a bit to read or write fanfiction about real life couples. I have no idea what they do with each other in private. If I want to take inspiration from what I do know about them, fine. I honestly don't believe it's any different from shipping two people who are not a couple or two fictional characters. However, I don't judge those who do find it unappealing. To each their own!

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About Subject Matter

I know a few people who believe there are things who shouldn't be written about. It's their opinion and they absolutely have the right to it. However, as a writer, this idea offends me at a very basic level.

Exploitation is one thing. But to say that a concept should NEVER be fictionalized is a huge problem for me. Should we pretend that sexual abuse and AIDS and homophobia and death don't exist? As a writer, I find all those things interesting - what effect do they have on human psychology and behavior? How do we, as a species and as individuals, overcome the worst parts of human nature?

I understand triggers. Believe me, I do. And I'll come down hard on anyone who doesn't properly warn for potential triggers. It's only fair to give your reader the option NOT to read. But that doesn't mean those concepts shouldn't be explored at all.

I know a lot of people who read fanfiction for fun and escapism. Most of the time, I'm reading for the sex and romance too. But that's not ALL fanfiction can be. I've read fanfiction that made me cry, and fanfiction that made me think, and fanfiction that inspired me to make positive changes in my own life. I've read fic that's helped me deal with the dark places in my own past.

Because it is free and unfiltered, fanfic has all the potential of published fiction and more. Some of the best writing I've ever read has been fanfiction. That's why I don't believe in limiting subject matter - ever.

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In Conclusion

I doubt anyone is going to agree with me on every point, and that's to be expected. However, I hope that anyone who reads this can at least find something thought-provoking. Feel free to link this post wherever you see fit. I welcome discussion in the comments, as well. As you can tell, I spend a lot of time thinking about these things, and I'm always happy to talk about them.

More than anything else, I believe in a free and open community, where everyone can read and write and discuss what they like in peace.

[identity profile] rosegust.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 02:32 am (UTC)(link)
Well written, and needed more than ever right now. Actually I had never been involved in a fandom, or exposed to fanfiction prior to Adam. I was not aware whether what is happening in this fandom right now, is different than any other.

Thank you for clarifying all the terms as well. I've seen them and had a general understanding. I have a better perspective how I am involved and evolved in this fandom concerning my OTP's with RPS, and other pairings I sometime ship.

I recall the shift that took place between Adommy and Kradam, which caused for some hurtful or uneasy feelings, but eventually found a way of co-existing in the same fandom. I suppose this time around the shift feels a bit more strained, and may take a little longer to settle in. Primarily due to the length of a transition of Adam's career. We don't have daily and weekly updated material to draw from like we did of Idol, or later GNT tour.

Without us having ongoing Canon for inspiration, it is very natural for a part of Adam's fanbase to get excited about "new material" to feed the fantasies when Sauli entered the scene. He is adorable, and that certainly helped. Just because I entertain myself over this at the moment, doesn't mean the OTPs I explored before aren't interesting anymore. I will re-visit them, and especially with the writers I adore reading such as yourself. So, thank-you!

[identity profile] sulwen.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 02:32 am (UTC)(link)
A new fandom is definitely a big time commitment, especially a well-established one. The easiest ones to get into are new movies, like Inception. Only takes a few hours to get the canon down, and you can get in at the beginning! :)

[identity profile] sulwen.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
...we are reading the stories because they are about people whom we find attractive in various ways, but those characterizations can be taken in different and equally valid directions.

This is beautifully said, and I completely agree! <3

[identity profile] sulwen.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
I do think that there will be struggles with transitions for as long as this fandom exists. That's a great point - that a new pairing doesn't invalidate the previous ones. People should remember that.

Thanks for reading and commenting! :)

[identity profile] sin-fuego.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 02:41 am (UTC)(link)
Interesting read and well-put.

As an example of how very large fandom can be and that experience differs for people, I first heard tinhat used in HP but I've heard it originated in LotRips. I heard it associated with various pairings and especially with certain RPGs IIRC.

I too agree with the idea of RPF being based on characters. It's funny how I could understand that viewpoint of others for years but never got into it myself until within the last year or so.

"Don't give other people control over your fandom experience."

A THOUSAND TIMES YES.

[identity profile] sulwen.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 02:48 am (UTC)(link)
It is really interesting to see how things vary across the fandoms! They're like different countries making up one world, and things can definitely get lost in translation.

Thanks for reading! :)

[identity profile] kitasangel.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you. It is nice to see a voice of reason. This fandom has been a fun happy place and then it was not. I have stayed away lately and just read the fanfic.
Lyn

[identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
As someone who is a tinhatter, I would just like to say that it IS NOT a CHOICE I've made. If I could ship a less invested way, I would do it. but I choose to participate in fandom because it brings me a great deal of joy--more than enough joy to make up for the pain of tinhatting. Which is very painful at times.

As a writer (and obviously I speak for myself) I inhabit the characters I am writing about, whether they are the original characters from my novel, or Sam and Dean, or Adam and Tommy. In very real emotional ways, I AM those characters and they are me.

I absolutely can tell the difference between my fantasy and actual Adam's reality. There is no problem with that. The thing is, I do not, and can never, live Adam's actual reality. That is for him and his friends and family to live, and I have no place there. The ONLY reality related to him that I have access to is the one I can see. His persona. And that persona strongly informs the character I am writing. The character I AM in many ways. So when I (who takes the ONE and the TRUE parts of OTP very seriously) see or hear about that persona being with someone who isn't the other half of my pairing, it's genuinely painful to me. As though I found out that my partner were cheating. Or maybe more accurately as though I found out that my brother and SiL (whom I both adore to pieces) were getting a divorce. It's totally involuntary, and it's just how it feels. I can't decide not to care, because I DO care. You don't tell a child whose mother hits him, "Oh, don't love your mom. She hurts you."

Having said that. This in no way means I don't want ACTUAL Adam to date whomever he wants. I genuinely and with all my heart want this man I admire and adore to be happy beyond his wildest dreams. With WHOEVER makes him happy. That, however is ADAM. not persona!Adam. Persona!Adam I want to be with Tommy. So I would really rather not see or hear anything about him being with someone else. He can and should be with someone else if that is what he wants. Just not on my twitter feed or my LJ, because that breaks my heart.

It's up to me to filter and avoid places that are going to upset me. I am willing to take that responsibility and do that to the best of my ability. I am getting pissed off with the people who are doing things like typing S*auli when they tweet so it doesn't trigger filters because they think people like me are stupid and lame and should get over it. Honestly that is like saying I'm stupid for finding offensive when someone uses the word "gay" to mean undesirable and I should get over that. It's treating people who experience fandom differently like second class citizens. I have quite a lot of experience with that in the real world, thanks, and I'd rather not have it in my fandom spaces, too.

People should write about whatever they want to write about, however they want to write it. I have a scroll feature and a back button. But they do need to remain respectful of others. Both in fandom, and for fuck's sake the objects of fandom.

[identity profile] sulwen.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 03:54 am (UTC)(link)
Oh my. I really hope you don't think anything I wrote was disrespectful to you! I don't want to say that one way of experiencing fandom is inherently better than any other. All I can talk about is what I've experienced, and I stand behind what I said about how tinhatting is more painful than just casual shipping. I think from what you've written you'd agree with me.

I agree with what you said about inhabiting the characters. I only experience it when I'm actually writing, though - it's usually pretty easy for me to detach from them when I'm not.

I'm really sorry that things have been painful for you lately. You know that I love you, and I truly hope that you don't take offense to anything I've said. None of it was aimed at you. If you do feel like I've gone over the line, I'm sorry.

*hugs*

[identity profile] sulwen.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
Fanfic is by far the best part of it anyway, in my opinion! :)

[identity profile] razorqueen-gw.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
RP should require a black box warning. It can be very intense. But done with characters you love and a stable RP partner who isn't going to go batshit crazy on you, few fan activities are more fun.

I suspect you're right that a lot of people don't think that deeply about it. It's sort of like when I think, "Why am I a slasher? Was I born that way? Was it my environment? Did I choose it?" And then my brain melts a little and I go find some pics of boys kissing, and everything is good.

[identity profile] rivers-bend.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
Oh no! I didn't take offense to what you said. You totally prefaced it with it being your opinion (and I know that's how you roll anyway), and that is fine. Just from my standpoint it's not like I need to be told I'm in for disappointment. I'm in this with my eyes open, from all angles. That doesn't change what fandom in general and RPS fandom in particular are to me. (and fwiw, I don't feel any different about Adam and Tommy and Sauli than I do about Dean and Sam and whatever is keeping them apart in canon at any given time. I cannot bear the pain either way. Just it's easier for me to avoid SPN canon, or ignore the bits that don't please me, because I kind of look at the show's writers as just another set of fic writers in many ways. Not so easy with RPS.)

I think my tone is more defensive than I am actually feeling in relation to your post, just because of stuff that has happened the last day or two on twitter. like the filter-dodging and stuff. I didn't mean to sound offended by you. *smish*

I think the thing (or one thing) for me is that I am NEVER not writing. Unless I am actively engaged in talking to another person about something not fandom, I am writing in my head. I don't tend to fantasize about my own life; I fantasize about my characters'. I'm in many ways deeply practical and not given to flights of fancy, so it's hard for me to dream 'big' for me because I am always thinking in practicalities. Also, for years and years I was utterly miserable in my own life, so became a total escapist. I'm sure there are people who would argue that this isn't healthy or whatever, but pfft. It works for me. They can have their hobbies, I have fandom :D

And I do totally agree with you about the painfulness of tinhatting vrs shipping. just, to me, it's no more a choice than being a person who sobs uncontrollably at movies, and is right handed, and can't stand peas. so it is what it is. :)

On Fandom

[identity profile] glammerati (from livejournal.com) 2011-02-06 05:22 am (UTC)(link)
Very well put, and I agree. It's good if fandom inspires people to greater things, like supporting a charity because we support the celebrity, practicing our writing/video editing skills around our fanship, getting into shape & primping ourselves to look good for our star, occupying time indulging in reading/listening/viewing subjects on the celebrity for entertainment instead of indulging in unhealthy past times. But when we become too consumed by these activities that they become the top most priority in our lives and we all run the risk of this, then it becomes unhealthy. We should keep it in check and avoid it becoming imbalanced. We need to remind ourselves the celebrity is inaccessible and there is no way we can hook up with them. It is all a fantasy, even what we read or view in performances etc is fantasy. So better be pragmatic, accept it spend time cultivating real live relationships and friendships that have a chance of coming to fruition instead. Otherwise we end up emotional wrecks, or worse in depression every time a new boyfriend or partner emerges, or our fantasy we built up so meticulously crumbles as reality sets in. Have fun, enjoy it, laugh, cry, fantasize while it lasts, but don't let it run our lives at the expense of all others. Like everything else in life, nothing lasts forever, not even our fantasy or the one we fantasize about. When we find ourselves doing nothing else but be on Twitter/FB/Youtube all day/night on account of the star and our work/studies/relationships are affected, we have a problem. Better if we keep a stable mind with equanimity, then we don't get ourselves hurt or waste a part of our lives on something that brought no lasting benefit in the end.
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[identity profile] eowyn-for-adam.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 06:14 am (UTC)(link)
Wow - I can't be anywhere near as articulate as either you have been, Sulwen, nor so many of the responses for this amazing post...
I have however, NEVER seen fanfic and fandom analyzed as well as you just did -
BRAVO....

Now, changing gears a bit, just to be a brat and be funny...
"Canon - the source material... in RPS fandoms, canon is what we know about the people in question...
Fanon - tropes that the fandom at large tends to agree on... the exceptional size of Jared Padalecki's genitalia is fanon."
So, in this fandom, the size of Adam Lambert's genitalia is not only FANON, it's CANON, because we have seen objective evidence?

Hugs and love, dear - your "thinky" posts are just as wonderful as your fanfic posts!
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[personal profile] rubytuesday5681 2011-02-06 06:16 am (UTC)(link)
I <3 everything you just said so fucking much! Thank you. I am a tinhatter as well, to the core, and I never could have explained myself as well as you just did.
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[identity profile] katzb101.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 08:01 am (UTC)(link)
I love this post, thank you!

I'd never actually come across tinhatting before I became involved in this fandom, I skirted round the edge of the SPN fandom but never got truly involved - met some wonderful people though and reconnected with a couple of others that I'd lost touch with from other fandoms I've been in over the years (I've been around fandom in one from or another also most 20 years and that's a very scary thought in it's own right *g*)

I loved your explanation of RPS *nods*, I use a similar one myself when asked about it. And I think that is probably why I write that rather than FP - I find it very difficult to play in other people's Sandboxes, so any FP I write tends to be rather out of left field to say the least. *wry*

I will say though I do find r/l pairings an uncomfortable read (though admittedly maybe not quite so much in this fandom*g*) but certainly JB/Scot Gill for example, 'specially considering JB's very strong personal take on it. Though he's seems to have softened a bit on the RP fic with himself in it.

Agrees totally with your thoughts about OTP interestingly enough I tend to read OTP (though I read a lot of everything as well) but I rarely write it and that can make your life as a writer somewhat interesting at times. :-)

Fandom should be fun you're right *nods*.

[identity profile] x-serenade.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 08:45 am (UTC)(link)
OH YOU ARE WONDERFUL!

THIS THIS THIS

[identity profile] sulwen.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 01:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh good - I'm glad you're not mad! And yeah, I can totally see where the defensiveness comes from, considering recent events. It was a challenge to keep this post from becoming really defensive, as I get really, really offended when people label me "crazy." I'm not, and it pisses me off when people say I am.

Thank you for sharing your perspective - it's really interesting to read about different takes on fandom! <3

[identity profile] sulwen.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 01:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Haha, thanks babe! :)

[identity profile] sulwen.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 01:24 pm (UTC)(link)
It does get complicated when the person involved comes out against being written. I personally would have issues writing that, though I don't judge those who choose to do i.

Thanks for reading! :)

[identity profile] sulwen.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 01:26 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL, someone else made that Adam comment to me earlier! I think that bit of info is somewhere in between the two...maybe fanon with some canon evidence? ;)

Re: On Fandom

[identity profile] sulwen.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 01:27 pm (UTC)(link)
You're completely right. Moderation in all things, after all! Thanks for reading. :)

[identity profile] silentdescant.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 01:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I totally agree with a lot of what you said here. Especially about writing about people's public personas. The truth is, we don't know these people, and the characters are primarily coming from our own imagination. Based on true events or real quotes, yes, but that's all we have to work on. That's definitely one reason I like RPS so much, and another is that there's constantly new canon to work from. And it's often unpredictable and always REALISTIC, which you can't always say for tv shows and books. It's also why I can't really write about people I'm close to in real life. I've been tempted, and sometimes I do draw directly from people I know for inspiration, but actually knowing a person well and writing something about them feels intrusive to me in a way that famous-person RPS doesn't.

Also, I love what you said about, well, censorship. Personally, I get the most satisfaction out of fics that deal with the realities of life. Disease, crime, trauma... it's interesting to me because it's a way to get inside the characters' heads in a way you can't in real life, and it also puts me (or any author or reader) in control of this awful situation. Plus, I love a good cry. If a fic can actually bring me to tears, it's pretty much guaranteed a bookmark in my delicious. It's like a catharsis, and we shouldn't limit ourselves on content if it can bring us that. And you're right, some issues simply shouldn't be ignored just because people don't want to think about them, or because it might offend some small portion of humanity. it exists in life, and therefore, to me, it can be (and sometimes SHOULD be) explored in fiction.

lol well, that was more long-winded than I intended. oops. basically what I'm saying is, great post. it's nice to see the side of fandom that still has their heads in the game and knows it IS a game.

[identity profile] formerlydumb.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 01:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Tinhatting... well, I've been there. (excitement for a new fandom always do stupid things to my mind).
But even then, I did NOT cross the line, not even once. No tweets with link, nor "plese fuck him" or so on; I just enjoyed my private heaven of beliefs for a bit, so I'm asking myself why people cannot do the same... Because, ok, you can believe everything you want, and if you're a delusional fan, it's fine to me, I don't really care, but how can you be such a pain in the ass and tweet them with your wishes? Or hate someone just because his opinion is not the same as yours?
I don't even think we're talking about "fandoms" anymore when it comes to those things, but about how people behave themselves...

btw, thanks for this one :) sorry if this comment is completely random and useles!

[identity profile] silentdescant.livejournal.com 2011-02-06 01:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I love what you said at the end there, because yes, that's it exactly for me. It's like casting characters in a movie with all of my favorite actors!

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